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#41
You can force fake compliance but you cannot force a true faith on someone. That being said, if you truly believe in the teachings of your faith and in the truth of those teachings why would you not as a parent who has been given the responsibility from God of raising a child do everything within your power to lead that person or people you love dearly (your children) to that faith? You cannot make someone believe but God does use use us to carryout his will.
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#42
No one can ever force you believe in something you don't, that was what I learnt as a boy. My mother stopped taking me to Church even though she liked to go to church herself. Both sides respected the other's views. As a family my wife does go to Church with her mother when we are visiting, our kids are old enough to make up their own minds on this issue so it is left at that, as I said before, it is better to 'find' religion, no amount of compulsory attendence is going to make some one a true believer, that is something I learnt as a boy.

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#43
(09-28-2020, 12:16 PM)Scarlette Wrote: It could just be me and a misperception, judgment, stereotype.....But....doesn't the joy of Faith get lost if there are so many rules and restrictions that they become what is important rather than being joyful? Too many rules seems oppressive and I have a hard time believing there is joy or love in oppression. Also, what is good in forcing someone to be alone....even Jesus needed people.

From what I have heard, monasteries can be quite joyful! I have heard going to Church at the convent here is nice, although it is down to only 7 elderly nuns from what I have heard and it's at 5AM.

Obviously, if the rules are all that is left (or they are poorly understood) that is a problem, but I think that is probably less of a problem nowadays in religious communities.
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#44
I don't know about all that joy...my mom has some pretty good horror stories about the nuns in the Catholic schools she attended. Big Grin Mean nun stories seem to be a staple of the Catholic ladies conversation.

There's this one Priest at the church I go to with my father who is a younger man.....not hard to be when the other two are older than dirt and a day younger than God...but his humor and enthusiasm is appreciated by those of us who are younger but he is NOT appreciated by the older Catholics in the church....you should hear these pious women wagging their tongues. Rolleyes It's almost as if being happy is a sin. You have to do this or God will strike you down nonsense.

Another thing that makes me wonder about the sanity behind celibacy is all the Priests who are alcoholics? Confused

I'm not judging Priests for having their own personal demons, I'm wondering if we aren't placing unreasonable expectations on men or women who have been sentenced to a lifetime of celibacy or isolation in order to serve God.

I know they live in communities but these past few months of being somewhat isolated with my community...aka family...really makes me wonder if that could possibly ever be enough.
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#45
(09-29-2020, 07:37 AM)Scarlette Wrote: Another thing that makes me wonder about the sanity behind celibacy is all the Priests who are alcoholics? Confused

I'm not judging Priests for having their own personal demons, I'm wondering if we aren't placing unreasonable expectations on men or women who have been sentenced to a lifetime of celibacy or isolation in order to serve God.

Personally I find the whole idea of celibacy to be deeply suspect, it denies a human being their natural instincts to breed more humans. Alcoholisim and drug abuse is one outcome, unfortunately so is abuse of others be it physical, mental or sexual.

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#46
There are very good spiritual reasons for it IMHO, but I do agree it isn't for everyone and it can probably deform a person if it isn't handled right. But organizations like the Order of St. Vitus or the Franciscans have been pretty instrumental in helping people, and I don't think they could have done it if they were married.
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(09-30-2020, 05:37 AM)Anymouse Wrote: There are very good spiritual reasons for it IMHO, but I do agree it isn't for everyone and it can probably deform a person if it isn't handled right. But organizations like the Order of St. Vitus or the Franciscans have been pretty instrumental in helping people, and I don't think they could have done it if they were married.

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